RDX versus Crosstour?

Rexorg · 11-03-2009, 1:38 PM

Honda announced pricing for the 271 HP (Regular Gas?) Crosstour today. An EX-L AWD/Navi is $36,200. If your had your druthers would you go with the RDX or Crosstour?

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BigHatch · 11-03-2009, 2:28 PM

crosstour??? never heard of it

horsepoop · 11-03-2009, 4:40 PM

IMO, the new Crosstour is like the uglier version of the ZDX

corduroygt · 11-04-2009, 7:52 AM

Most people would go for the RDX, since the crosstour is one of the fugliest vehicles you can buy new today.

mrgold35 · 11-04-2009, 11:56 AM

Other than the Honda front grill looks too large, I think the Crosstour looks better that the ZDX.

The Honda Crosstour has pretty much every feature, dimensions, and price the RDX has with the addition of:
-3.5L V-6 that uses regular gas,
-better mpgs and,
- VCM cylinder deactivation.

You can see what type of power and mpgs the RDX would have if it had the 3.5L V-6. (271 hp/ 254 lb/tq, 18/27 2wd, 18/25 awd, all with a 5AT and regular gas).

I think the ZDX folks should be worried because you can purchase the Crosstour for +$10,000 less and have the same exact vehicle.

Looks like Acura is trying to copy GM/Ford and sell the same vehicle in different divisions. It makes Acura look like a trim level upgrade instead of an unique luxury/performance model.

Honda Crosstour = Acura ZDX
Chevy Suburban = GMC Yukon = Caddy Escalade
Ford Flex = Lincoln MKT

venom550pm · 11-04-2009, 12:08 PM

not crazy about the cross tour. i would stick with my wife's RDX. But i do like the concept cr-z.....

**dom** · 11-04-2009, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrgold35

Other than the Honda front grill looks too large, I think the Crosstour looks better that the ZDX.

The Honda Crosstour has pretty much every feature, dimensions, and price the RDX has with the addition of:
-3.5L V-6 that uses regular gas,
-better mpgs and,
- VCM cylinder deactivation.

You can see what type of power and mpgs the RDX would have if it had the 3.5L V-6. (271 hp/ 254 lb/tq, 18/27 2wd, 18/25 awd, all with a 5AT and regular gas).

I think the ZDX folks should be worried because you can purchase the Crosstour for +$10,000 less and have the same exact vehicle.

Looks like Acura is trying to copy GM/Ford and sell the same vehicle in different divisions. It makes Acura look like a trim level upgrade instead of an unique luxury/performance model.

Honda Crosstour = Acura ZDX
Chevy Suburban = GMC Yukon = Caddy Escalade
Ford Flex = Lincoln MKT

Only the Crosstour isn't based off the ZDX.

mrgold35 · 11-04-2009, 12:53 PM

I don't know what the ZDX or Crosstour is based off; but, both vehicles look alike. I would have to take Crosstour for a test drive before deciding on purchasing a RDX or ZDX.

Honda Crosstour

Acura ZDX

Nyjumpman23 · 11-04-2009, 2:02 PM

the crosstour is based on the ACCORD..
but in forms of a CROSS OVER UTIILTY VEHICLE from LUXARY TO BASIC
it goes back from CROSSTOUR = ZDX

XIS · 11-04-2009, 3:19 PM

Not sure what to think about the big picture, but I can tell you I think the RDX looks better than both.
A couple things I wish the RDX had were the 'lower level' storage in the hatch and the better cupholders! Maybe the newer IPOD interface too, but will that be possible for us with a navigation upgrade later??

MMike1981 · 11-04-2009, 3:41 PM

cross tour would be another one to see in person before i make an opinion...the motortrend review is much more favorable than C&D, and i think is a more neutral review too.....saying the honda is lexus like in many ways, extremely quiet, refined, peppy, and there seems to be alot of engine/computer tuning going on in the cross tour (like rev matched downshifting, holding gears in corner) which MT was very favorable on.

Id love to see it in person, i like the stamped runners, gives it a very aggressive and classy touch.

in the end tho...i think this is an apples oranges comparo...but Honda has stepped up its ex-l interiors, and imo, surpass lower level acuras (i prefer the cross tour/accord interiors vs the RDX/TSX)....Loop carpeting in the honda is a real nice touch, and the interior seats look like butter

Rexorg · 11-04-2009, 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMike1981

cross tour would be another one to see in person before i make an opinion...the motortrend review is much more favorable than C&D, and i think is a more neutral review too.....saying the honda is lexus like in many ways, extremely quiet, refined, peppy, and there seems to be alot of engine/computer tuning going on in the cross tour (like rev matched downshifting, holding gears in corner) which MT was very favorable on.

Id love to see it in person, i like the stamped runners, gives it a very aggressive and classy touch.

in the end tho...i think this is an apples oranges comparo...but Honda has stepped up its ex-l interiors, and imo, surpass lower level acuras (i prefer the cross tour/accord interiors vs the RDX/TSX)....Loop carpeting in the honda is a real nice touch, and the interior seats look like butter

The Crosstour is supposed to be in the showrooms on 20 November. How, and why, in the world did Honda get a brand new CUV in the showrooms before Acura could get the ZDX and MMC MDX out? Anyone shopping for a car-based CUV is not going to wait until December and buy the ZDX for $10-15K more after they see the Crosstour.

BigHatch · 11-04-2009, 4:04 PM

...so basically it's an accord wagon...

call a spade a spade.

MMike1981 · 11-04-2009, 4:07 PM

thats usually how its always been tho

CRV-->RDX
ACCORD-->TSX

the only one i can think of they debuted first was the MDX before the Pilot.

mrgold35 · 11-04-2009, 4:27 PM

The crosstours has a pretty good looking interior. I like it better than the current RDX.

MMike1981 · 11-04-2009, 8:34 PM

hmm...rear HVAC.

XIS · 11-04-2009, 11:11 PM

the back seat 'walk-through' area has a hump that the RDX doesn't....

Normally, I like the humps, but not back there.

Nyjumpman23 · 11-05-2009, 8:58 AM

BTW - CR-V does not EQUAL RDX...It's not even close. The platform wasn't even closely based on it.
And as for TSX ...it's the EUROPEON ACCORD. Not or the ORIGINAL ACCORD.
The one desigend is for US based here.
As for the CROSSTOUR...what your missing compared to ZDX -

NO BLUETOOTH,
NO HID HEADLAMPS.
NO PARANOMIC SUNROOF

So pretty mch, you lose out.

Dan Martin · 11-05-2009, 9:05 AM

I saw a crosstour on the road yesterday. It was probably a dealer demo to educate the sales reps, because I don't think they're really available yet. The back doesn't look as bad in motion as it does in person, but the front is still huge. I don't think I'd consider one because it's not as practical as a true wagon or SUV thanks to that chopped off roof line.

stevel · 11-05-2009, 9:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyjumpman23

BTW - CR-V does not EQUAL RDX...It's not even close. The platform wasn't even closely based on it.
And as for TSX ...it's the EUROPEON ACCORD. Not or the ORIGINAL ACCORD.
The one desigend is for US based here.
As for the CROSSTOUR...what your missing compared to ZDX -

NO BLUETOOTH,
NO HID HEADLAMPS.
NO PARANOMIC SUNROOF

So pretty mch, you lose out.

so paying $10K to $20K less for the crosstour, skimping those couple things equals losing out?

catnippants · 11-05-2009, 9:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyjumpman23

BTW - CR-V does not EQUAL RDX...It's not even close. The platform wasn't even closely based on it.
And as for TSX ...it's the EUROPEON ACCORD. Not or the ORIGINAL ACCORD.
The one desigend is for US based here.
As for the CROSSTOUR...what your missing compared to ZDX -

NO BLUETOOTH,
NO HID HEADLAMPS.
NO PARANOMIC SUNROOF

So pretty mch, you lose out.

In one of the detailed pics at honda.com, the lower display shows 'handsfreelink'...to me, that says bluetooth. Given how everyone is including bluetooth now, I'd be pretty surprised if the Crosstour didn't have it.

edit: Just went back and checked. The site clearly says it has bluetooth, and the pic even shows the bluetooth icon. From everything I can see, the Crosstour interior looks more luxurious than my RDX. I wonder if it has the GPS linked HVAC. I guess more reading is in order.

Mike

Rexorg · 11-05-2009, 9:58 AM

http://ww.hondanews.com/categories/1365/releases/5242

**dom** · 11-05-2009, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyjumpman23

As for the CROSSTOUR...what your missing compared to ZDX -

NO HID HEADLAMPS.
NO PARANOMIC SUNROOF

SH-AWD
Adjustable suspension
Higher end interior/materials
3.7L V6
and I'm sure there's much, much more.

I'm no fan of the ZDX but saying that the only advantages it has over the Crosstour are HID's and a panoramic sunroof is skewing the facts to say the least. Its an entirely different platform.

Nyjumpman23 · 11-05-2009, 10:49 AM

REDO- Power liftgate? Rear-seat entertainment system? High-intensity discharge headlamps? Bluetooth streaming audio? Pushbutton start?

NONE of the above..
Bluetooth YES...

Nyjumpman23 · 11-05-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevel

so paying $10K to $20K less for the crosstour, skimping those couple things equals losing out?

You Lose out on the anonymities..the features..
I didnt quote MONEY wise...if that's what your trying to imply.
so Relax

corduroygt · 11-05-2009, 1:02 PM

Why would one buy a crosstour instead of a venza of youre in the market for that kind of vehicle? Venza doesnt look ugly and it's more practical and has more features

MMike1981 · 11-05-2009, 1:49 PM

how can you possibly compare the level of the ZDX product to the cross tour. come on guys. its night and day. albeit they are similar entries (design/function/etc) but in no way would i make a decision on the fact that the cross is a better economical choice than the ZDX. Thats like saying instead of the 7 series i bought the Hyundai. hey similar size, cargo, features right?? lol no.

im not dumping on the cross....i really like it, its a great package at a decent price, although one wonders why you would go for this vs the pilot other than the vehicle type preference. Pilot is more capable, at least it should be, and decked out you are at the same price. Pilot gives you alot more versatility for the money. But for non truck people in the honda family...i think this is a really solid option for the people who dont want the volvo wagon, or benz audi stuff...this adds a nice twist in the market...and it will sell, its a honda.

creativeguy · 11-05-2009, 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horsepoop

IMO, the new Crosstour is like the uglier version of the ZDX

That isn't very promising, considering how ugly the ZDX is. I don't understand the new trend in 'hatchbackifying' every car: ZDX, Crosstour, Porsche Panamera. All these cars just look ungainly at the rear and the rear visibility is horrible. I think that BMW X6 is the only car to pull off this look with any modicum of success.

**LuvMyTSX** · 11-06-2009, 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corduroygt

Why would one buy a crosstour instead of a venza of youre in the market for that kind of vehicle? Venza doesnt look ugly and it's more practical and has more features

The front of the Venza is hideous, IMO. Looks like an awkward teenager with a mouthful of braces.

I cringe every time I see it.

However, the front of the Crosstour is also ugly.

Neither is a particularly attractive vehicle.

OneOfOne · 11-07-2009, 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyjumpman23

You Lose out on the anonymities..the features..
I didnt quote MONEY wise...if that's what your trying to imply.
so Relax

what language is this? anonymities, luxary? wow. anyway the crosstour is the ugliest honda/acura product ever.

corduroygt · 11-07-2009, 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX

The front of the Venza is hideous, IMO. Looks like an awkward teenager with a mouthful of braces.

I cringe every time I see it.

However, the front of the Crosstour is also ugly.

Neither is a particularly attractive vehicle.

The only show stopper with Venza, the grille, can be easily fixed:

It has HID's and a couple of other features not available in the accord, not to mention at least it looks good in the back.

MMike1981 · 11-08-2009, 12:11 AM

dunno how we can all judge looks without seeing in person. the cross tour is tending to be one of those cars, same as the ZDX

**LuvMyTSX** · 11-08-2009, 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corduroygt

The only show stopper with Venza, the grille, can be easily fixed:

It has HID's and a couple of other features not available in the accord, not to mention at least it looks good in the back.

That's not fixed enough for me. Sure, it lost the sea of chrome on the grille, but it's still got a huge awkward looking schnoz. No thanks.

corduroygt · 11-08-2009, 7:51 PM

Personally if the redesigned rdx still has thepower plenum and still ugly my next car will be the BMW x1. It and the q5 are the only decent looking and sporty driving crossovers

Dan Martin · 11-08-2009, 8:08 PM

The Venza is actually a great car to drive. I was pretty impressed by it. I can't convince someone to like the styling, but I like it.

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BigHatch not an SUV ...a Big Hatch Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tustin, CA Age: 32 Posts: 124	crosstour??? never heard of it __________________ 2007 Tech: Eibach Springs, K&N Drop-in, 20x9 +40 Matte Black Axis Angle's, 255/40/20 Toyo Proxes STII (28.0 OD, 420 A A UTQG) Last edited by BigHatch; 11-03-2009 at 2:28 PM. Reason: add comment

11-04-2009, 11:56 AM	#5
mrgold35 mrgold35 Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ABQ, NM Age: 43 Posts: 742	Other than the Honda front grill looks too large, I think the Crosstour looks better that the ZDX. The Honda Crosstour has pretty much every feature, dimensions, and price the RDX has with the addition of: -3.5L V-6 that uses regular gas, -better mpgs and, - VCM cylinder deactivation. You can see what type of power and mpgs the RDX would have if it had the 3.5L V-6. (271 hp/ 254 lb/tq, 18/27 2wd, 18/25 awd, all with a 5AT and regular gas). I think the ZDX folks should be worried because you can purchase the Crosstour for +$10,000 less and have the same exact vehicle. Looks like Acura is trying to copy GM/Ford and sell the same vehicle in different divisions. It makes Acura look like a trim level upgrade instead of an unique luxury/performance model. Honda Crosstour = Acura ZDX Chevy Suburban = GMC Yukon = Caddy Escalade Ford Flex = Lincoln MKT __________________ 06 5AT TSX Carbon Gray w/ Quartz and Navi, Full OEM underbody spoiler kit w/ wing, A-Spec Suspension w/ Progress RSB, ASA AR1 Chrome 17in rims, 35% tint, 3M clear bra,Moon roof air deflector, door edge guard, metal trim kit, cargo net, All season black mats & trunk tray, 350Z coupe cargo net, Protective film on Navi, K/N air filter, OEM Acura sport pedals, US Spec iPod Adaptor

11-04-2009, 12:08 PM	#6
venom550pm My beer fridge is in Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Western Mass Age: 30 Posts: 597	not crazy about the cross tour. i would stick with my wife's RDX. But i do like the concept cr-z..... __________________ '09 TL SH-AWD Tech, CBP/Ebony - 40% Tint, Ventureshield Clear Bra, Splash Gaurds, Cleared & Blacked Out Headlights V2 by JnC, Taillights by JnC, TSX Lens Swap, Kaixen 6000k Headlight Bulbs, Kaixen 6000k Fog lights, Ron Jon Grill

11-04-2009, 12:53 PM	#8
mrgold35 mrgold35 Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ABQ, NM Age: 43 Posts: 742	I don't know what the ZDX or Crosstour is based off; but, both vehicles look alike. I would have to take Crosstour for a test drive before deciding on purchasing a RDX or ZDX. Honda Crosstour Acura ZDX __________________ 06 5AT TSX Carbon Gray w/ Quartz and Navi, Full OEM underbody spoiler kit w/ wing, A-Spec Suspension w/ Progress RSB, ASA AR1 Chrome 17in rims, 35% tint, 3M clear bra,Moon roof air deflector, door edge guard, metal trim kit, cargo net, All season black mats & trunk tray, 350Z coupe cargo net, Protective film on Navi, K/N air filter, OEM Acura sport pedals, US Spec iPod Adaptor

11-04-2009, 3:41 PM	#11
MMike1981 Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new england Posts: 1,771	cross tour would be another one to see in person before i make an opinion...the motortrend review is much more favorable than C&D, and i think is a more neutral review too.....saying the honda is lexus like in many ways, extremely quiet, refined, peppy, and there seems to be alot of engine/computer tuning going on in the cross tour (like rev matched downshifting, holding gears in corner) which MT was very favorable on. Id love to see it in person, i like the stamped runners, gives it a very aggressive and classy touch. in the end tho...i think this is an apples oranges comparo...but Honda has stepped up its ex-l interiors, and imo, surpass lower level acuras (i prefer the cross tour/accord interiors vs the RDX/TSX)....Loop carpeting in the honda is a real nice touch, and the interior seats look like butter __________________ 2008 RDX PMM/Ebony, Front spoiler, rear diff, running boards, K&N filter, all season mats, leather shift knob, mud flaps. Next up: TSW Londrina

11-03-2009, 4:40 PM	#3
horsepoop Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 9	IMO, the new Crosstour is like the uglier version of the ZDX

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corduroygt Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 29 Posts: 73	Most people would go for the RDX, since the crosstour is one of the fugliest vehicles you can buy new today.

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Nyjumpman23 ACURA ENTHUSIAST Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Age: 27 Posts: 398	the crosstour is based on the ACCORD.. but in forms of a CROSS OVER UTIILTY VEHICLE from LUXARY TO BASIC it goes back from CROSSTOUR = ZDX

11-04-2009, 3:19 PM	#10
XIS Lizard King Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Desert Age: 44 Posts: 214	Not sure what to think about the big picture, but I can tell you I think the RDX looks better than both. A couple things I wish the RDX had were the 'lower level' storage in the hatch and the better cupholders! Maybe the newer IPOD interface too, but will that be possible for us with a navigation upgrade later??

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BigHatch not an SUV ...a Big Hatch Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tustin, CA Age: 32 Posts: 124	...so basically it's an accord wagon... call a spade a spade. __________________ 2007 Tech: Eibach Springs, K&N Drop-in, 20x9 +40 Matte Black Axis Angle's, 255/40/20 Toyo Proxes STII (28.0 OD, 420 A A UTQG)

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MMike1981 Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new england Posts: 1,771	thats usually how its always been tho CRV-->RDX ACCORD-->TSX the only one i can think of they debuted first was the MDX before the Pilot. __________________ 2008 RDX PMM/Ebony, Front spoiler, rear diff, running boards, K&N filter, all season mats, leather shift knob, mud flaps. Next up: TSW Londrina

11-04-2009, 4:27 PM	#15
mrgold35 mrgold35 Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ABQ, NM Age: 43 Posts: 742	The crosstours has a pretty good looking interior. I like it better than the current RDX. __________________ 06 5AT TSX Carbon Gray w/ Quartz and Navi, Full OEM underbody spoiler kit w/ wing, A-Spec Suspension w/ Progress RSB, ASA AR1 Chrome 17in rims, 35% tint, 3M clear bra,Moon roof air deflector, door edge guard, metal trim kit, cargo net, All season black mats & trunk tray, 350Z coupe cargo net, Protective film on Navi, K/N air filter, OEM Acura sport pedals, US Spec iPod Adaptor

11-04-2009, 8:34 PM	#16
MMike1981 Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new england Posts: 1,771	hmm...rear HVAC. __________________ 2008 RDX PMM/Ebony, Front spoiler, rear diff, running boards, K&N filter, all season mats, leather shift knob, mud flaps. Next up: TSW Londrina

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XIS Lizard King Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Desert Age: 44 Posts: 214	the back seat 'walk-through' area has a hump that the RDX doesn't.... Normally, I like the humps, but not back there.

11-05-2009, 8:58 AM	#18
Nyjumpman23 ACURA ENTHUSIAST Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Age: 27 Posts: 398	BTW - CR-V does not EQUAL RDX...It's not even close. The platform wasn't even closely based on it. And as for TSX ...it's the EUROPEON ACCORD. Not or the ORIGINAL ACCORD. The one desigend is for US based here. As for the CROSSTOUR...what your missing compared to ZDX - NO BLUETOOTH, NO HID HEADLAMPS. NO PARANOMIC SUNROOF So pretty mch, you lose out.

11-05-2009, 9:05 AM	#19
Dan Martin Photography Nerd Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Age: 29 Posts: 21,435	I saw a crosstour on the road yesterday. It was probably a dealer demo to educate the sales reps, because I don't think they're really available yet. The back doesn't look as bad in motion as it does in person, but the front is still huge. I don't think I'd consider one because it's not as practical as a true wagon or SUV thanks to that chopped off roof line. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/acurazinedan/

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Nyjumpman23 ACURA ENTHUSIAST Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Age: 27 Posts: 398	REDO- Power liftgate? Rear-seat entertainment system? High-intensity discharge headlamps? Bluetooth streaming audio? Pushbutton start? NONE of the above.. Bluetooth YES...

11-05-2009, 1:02 PM	#26
corduroygt Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 29 Posts: 73	Why would one buy a crosstour instead of a venza of youre in the market for that kind of vehicle? Venza doesnt look ugly and it's more practical and has more features

11-05-2009, 1:49 PM	#27
MMike1981 Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new england Posts: 1,771	how can you possibly compare the level of the ZDX product to the cross tour. come on guys. its night and day. albeit they are similar entries (design/function/etc) but in no way would i make a decision on the fact that the cross is a better economical choice than the ZDX. Thats like saying instead of the 7 series i bought the Hyundai. hey similar size, cargo, features right?? lol no. im not dumping on the cross....i really like it, its a great package at a decent price, although one wonders why you would go for this vs the pilot other than the vehicle type preference. Pilot is more capable, at least it should be, and decked out you are at the same price. Pilot gives you alot more versatility for the money. But for non truck people in the honda family...i think this is a really solid option for the people who dont want the volvo wagon, or benz audi stuff...this adds a nice twist in the market...and it will sell, its a honda. __________________ 2008 RDX PMM/Ebony, Front spoiler, rear diff, running boards, K&N filter, all season mats, leather shift knob, mud flaps. Next up: TSW Londrina

11-08-2009, 12:11 AM	#32
MMike1981 Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new england Posts: 1,771	dunno how we can all judge looks without seeing in person. the cross tour is tending to be one of those cars, same as the ZDX __________________ 2008 RDX PMM/Ebony, Front spoiler, rear diff, running boards, K&N filter, all season mats, leather shift knob, mud flaps. Next up: TSW Londrina

11-08-2009, 7:51 PM	#34
corduroygt Registered Member Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 29 Posts: 73	Personally if the redesigned rdx still has thepower plenum and still ugly my next car will be the BMW x1. It and the q5 are the only decent looking and sporty driving crossovers

11-08-2009, 8:08 PM	#35
Dan Martin Photography Nerd Trader Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Age: 29 Posts: 21,435	The Venza is actually a great car to drive. I was pretty impressed by it. I can't convince someone to like the styling, but I like it. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/acurazinedan/